Integrating water filters and softener into the coach, and more

Like most RVs, our motorhome has a wet bay where one hooks up the incoming fresh water supply and drains the gray and black waste tanks. Our wet bay came with an electric hose reel, and a single filter for water quality.

Here’s what it looked like:

Wet bay

For a while, I’ve had an external water softener to deal with hard water in various parts of the country, and a three-stage water filter system:

Water softener and filters

But lugging those in and out of a storage bay every time we changed campsites was a bit of a pain. So I came up with a plan to get them both mounted inside the coach, so I don’t need to do that each time.

I engaged Dillon Massey of DC Plumbing & General Repair in Red Bay, Alabama to do this for me.

Here’s a rough sketch that I drew, to help explain my plan to Dillon:

Sketch

A little complex, perhaps, but it seemed logical to me. The hose from the campground faucet would be attached to a connector in the wet bay, then would split to a built-in black tank flush valve and a hose to the water filters mounted in a cargo bay. The water would then go from the filters to a three-way valve to the water softener and a connector for backflushing or regenerating the water softener, with another three-way valve and connector after the softener, then on to the existing systems.

The idea of the two three-way valves and connectors was to have water normally flow from the filter through the softener and onwards, but by turning the valves and attaching an input hose to the first connector and an output hose to the second connector, I could regenerate the softener, where one adds salt to it and flushes it out (without getting salt in the rest of the system), a maintenance process I need to do every couple of weeks in hard water areas. Or by reversing those hoses, I could backflush the softener, i.e. have water flow in the reverse normal direction only through the water softener, something I need to do every three months.

These enhancements were admittedly unusual; Dillon had mounted water softeners in wet bays many times before, but had never before done valves and connectors like this to backflush and regenerate. Normally, people would disconnect and remove the water softener when doing those servicing operations, but I wanted to be able to do it more easily.

In preparation for the work, while staying at Red Bay Acres, I cleared out the plumbing bits from the wet bay and nearby cargo compartment:

Cleared out plumbing bits

Dillon removed panels at the top of the wet bay, moved the electrical outlet, and removed the hose reel, which I didn’t want anymore, both to provide space for the water softener, and because I didn’t use it anyway; I preferred to connect a more flexible hose:

Removed panels and hose reel

The removed panels; I had the idea to reverse them from how they were before, which provided more space in the wet bay, enabling adding salt to the water softener more easily (compare the picture of the wet bay at the start of this post to how it looks at the end of this post):

Panels

There wasn’t room in the wet bay for the three-stage water filters, so my plan was to install them in the nearby cargo bay, mounted on the wall (to avoid interfering with the cargo slide):

Storage bay

Here are the fllters installed there, with hoses connecting to the wet bay:

Filters

He also added a valve to connect the water system directly to the black tank flush, so I don’t need to connect a hose to rinse out the black tank, though the valve is a little hard to reach:

Black tank flush valve

The three-way valves and connectors; unfortunately the spacing wasn’t ideal, so the left valve only barely cleared the right connector, but it was usable:

Three-way valves

Dillon’s mods completed, with new three-way valves and connectors installed in the top panel, the water softener mounted inside the wet bay:

Red Bay mods completed

Unfortunately, when I tested the connections later, I discovered that they didn’t match my specifications. Here’s a sketch over a picture of the wet bay, showing how I suspected that the connections were misconfigured:

Sketch

This meant that while it was fine in the normal (horizontal) valve positions, when turning the valves to the regen/backflush positions (vertical), the left one would connect between the incoming water and the connector, instead of the water softener input and connector. And similarly, the right valve would connect between the rest of the coach and the connector, instead of the water softener output and connector, as it should.

So I sketched how I want to fix that, plus also rearranging the valves and connectors to make them fit better, and adding an easier to reach valve for the black tank flush:

Sketch

While at NIRVC in the DC area, I got them to make those changes:

Wet bay

Wet bay

Wet bay

Wet bay

Work in progress

They successfully reversed the positions of the left valve and connector, though couldn’t rotate it 90° as requested, so instead trimmed the valve handle to fit better in the space.

Regenerating the water softener involves adding two containers of salt to the top of the unit, which I can do without having to remove it from the wet bay:

Regenerating configuration

Here are the valves in the regenerating configuration, with the input hose connected on the left and the output on the right:

Regenerating configuration

Regenerating configuration

And here are the valves in the backflushing configuration, with the input water on the right, and output on the left:

Backflushing configuration

Backflushing configuration

Much easier. Unfortunately, this saga isn’t quite over: while this works, filling the water tank gets really slow after regenerating. I suspect that the water filters are in the incorrect place in the circuit, so they are getting clogged with the salt. We’ll be back in Red Bay in December, so I’ll get Dillon to investigate and fix it then. In the meantime, I’ll have to disconnect the output of the water softener and connect a hose to it, to avoid this issue. Annoying, but not too difficult.

And when doing that, I discovered that even with the water pump on, no water would flow inside the coach when diverting the softener output. Which tells me that these modifications are after the tank, not before as they should be. The way I designed it, using the valves shouldn’t have any impact on pumping water from the tank into the coach.

Finally, here’s the normal configuration of the valves, where water flows through the filters and softener into the coach. Notice also the new black tank flush valve in the upper-left, that makes it super easy to rinse out the black tank (we kept the valve Dillon installed too, just visible in the lower-right, as a backup):

Normal configuration

And notice also the normal water input connector:

Normal configuration

I really appreciate not needing to lug the water filters and softener every time we change campsites. And while the regeneration and backflush options still aren’t quite right, I still think they were an excellent idea; I look forward to them working as designed.

Update: after much investigating, I determined that the valves and connectors were okay, just reversed from how I specified. So I was able to simply rotate the water softener, so the input and output were reversed, and swap the labels on the new valves, and now the system works properly. Yay!

Blue Ridge Parkway south end

South of Great Smoky Mountains National Park is the southern end of the Blue Ridge Parkway.

This park, barely wider than the highway, is 469 miles long, between Shenandoah National Park in Virginia at the north end and Great Smoky Mountains National Park in North Carolina at the south end. We visited the northern end a few weeks ago.

Entering the southern end of the parkway:

Entrance sign

There were several tunnels:

Tunnel

Tunnel

Parkway

Tunnel

Tunnel

Tunnel

Views:

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Fire lookout:

Fire lookout

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Visitor center:

Visitor center

Visitor center

Visitor center

Visitor center

Elevation 5,820 feet:

Elevation 5,820

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Great Smoky Mountains National Park

We visited Great Smoky Mountains National Park in Tennessee and North Carolina over several days, starting with a long drive from Pigeon Forge, north of the park, to the Oconaluftee Visitor Center at the southern side of the park (plus a bit further to the southernmost visitor center of the Blue Ridge Parkway; see a separate post about that).

The NPS map; click or tap to interact:

Map

An interactive map of our route:

Entrance sign

Parking tag required:

Parking tag required

View

Loop

Tunnel

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Elk were re-introduced to the park in 2001:

Elk

Oconaluftee Visitor Center:

Oconaluftee Visitor Center

Relief map

Passport stamp

Exhibits

Exhibits

Exhibits

Farm exhibits:

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Chickens

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Pigs

Stream

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Farm exhibits

Elk in front of elk sign:

Elk in front of elk sign

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An interactive map of our route for our second visit, to the Sugarlands Visitor Center and Clingmans Dome:

Sugarlands Visitor Center:

Sugarlands Visitor Center

Sugarlands Visitor Center

Exhibits

Exhibits

Exhibits

Exhibits

Clingmans Dome:

Clingmans Dome

Passport stamp:

Passport stamp

Visitor center

Split rock:

Split rock

Path to the lookout; we decided not to go up there:

Path to lookout

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An interactive map of our route for our third visit, to Cades Cove:

Tunnel

Horses:

Horses

Old church:

Old church

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Visitor Center:

Visitor Center

Visitor Center

Old farm buildings:

Old farm buildings

Old farm buildings

Old farm buildings

Old farm buildings

Old farm buildings

Snakes

Water mill

Water mill

Water mill

Old farm buildings

Old farm buildings

Old farm buildings

Old farm buildings

Old farm buildings